Several well-known/played-frequently-on-radio songs were actually complete flops on the singles chart in Oz. I found all of the following chart peaks rather surprising
Cold Chisel - Khe Sanh #41 Stevie Nicks - Edge of 17 - did not chart Derek & The Dominos - Layla #100 James Reyne - Heaven on a Stick #59 Grace Jones - Pull Up to the Bumper #67 Devo - Whip It #77 Phil Collins & Philip Baily - Easy Lover #74 Peter Gabriel - Solsbury Hill #45 The Supremes - Stop! In the Name of Love #42
Amy Winehouse - Rehab (#35, 3w) Coldplay - The Scientist (#40, 4w) The Dandy Warhols - Bohemian Like You (#74)
----- Radio favourites, but not well-known:
Jimmy Eat World - The Middle (#49, 2w) Papa Roach - Scars (DNC) Planet Funk - Chase the Sun (#32, 4w) Seether - Fake It (#49, 1w) The Dandy Warhols - We Used to Be Friends (#46, 1w) The Jonas Brothers - SOS (#47, 2w)
----- Radio favourites, but not well-known outside JJJ circles:
New Order - 60 Miles an Hour (#37, 4w) Placebo - Every You, Every Me (#46, 3w) The Music - The People (DNC) Weezer - Island in the Sun (#78)
----- Not outright flops, but both well-known and radio favourites:
Foo Fighters - Learn to Fly (#36, 9w) Red Hot Chili Peppers - Otherside (#31, 9w)
----- Some well-known radio-only tracks (unreleased as singles):
Avril Lavigne - Keep Holding On Kasey Chambers - Like a River Pearl Jam - Better Man Pink - Just Like a Pill
----- And one of the biggest radio-favourite flops:
The Offspring - Spare Me the Details (DNC)
It didn't reach the top 50, but an unsourced Wikipedia article claims that it spent three years in Australia's top 20 most-played songs. Even if that's not true, it received a hell of a lot of airplay for a flop. Last edited:
I'm a huge Pearl Jam fan and was devostated that when "Better Man" wasn't released off Vitalogy. It was released to U.S radio as a promo and has since been a fan favourite during there concerts. For a memorabile performance watch the Madison Square Garden DVD, it's on there Last edited:
ABBA - Thank You For the Music (1978) #82 Ace of Base - Happy Nation (1994) #67 Aswad - Don't Turn Around (1988) #53 Baz - Smile to Shine (2002) #70 Belinda Carlisle - Big Scary Animal (1993) #62 Boney M. - Gotta Go Home (1979) #44 Bryan Adams - Somebody (1986) #76 Calvin Harris - Acceptable in the 80's (2007) #98 Catatonia - Road Rage (1998) #44 Cher - All or Nothing (1999) #86 Chris De Burgh - High on Emotion (1984) #91 Collective Soul - December (1995) #77 Cut Copy - Lights and Music (2008) #64 Dido - Here With Me (2001) #50 Dr. Hook - Sexy Eyes (1980) #41 Ellie Campbell - Don't Want You Back (2000) #48 Fiona Apple - Criminal (1998) #46 Fleetwood Mac - Everywhere (1988) #45 Fleetwood Mac - You Make Lovin' Fun (1977) #65 Garbage - Only Happy When it Rains (1996) #75 Garbage - Queer (1995) #59 Garbage - Special (1998) #53 Genesis - That's All (1984) #62 Genesis - Throwing it All Away (1987) #94 Godley & Creme - Cry (1985) #43 Hunters & Collectors - Throw Your Arms Around Me (1986) #49 Imani Coppola - Legend of a Cowgirl (1997) #53 James Blunt - High (2005) #42 Jason Mraz - The Remedy (I Won't Worry) (2003) #70 Jeff Wayne - The Eve of the War (1978) #67 Karen Ramirez - Looking For Love (1998) #45 Leah Haywood - Summer of Love (2001) #59 Linus Loves featuring Sam Obernik - Stand Back (2003) #81 Little River Band - Playing to Win (1985) #59 Live - All Over You (1995) #65 Live - Selling the Drama (1994) #60 Luscious Jackson - Naked Eye (1997) #61 Mariah Carey - My All (1998) #45 Meja - All 'bout the Money (1999) #88 Mutya Buena - Real Girl (2007) #59 Nada Surf - Popular (1996) #42 Nirvana - All Apologies (1993) #49 Nirvana - In Bloom (1992) #75 Pearl Jam - Jeremy (1992) #78 Placebo - Pure Morning (1998) #54 Powderfinger - I Don't Remember (2007) #42 Puddle of Mudd - Blurry (2002) #42 Robyn - Show Me Love (1998) #47 Sarah McLachlan - Building a Mystery (1998) #70 Semisonic - Closing Time (1998) #66 Shawn Mullins - Shimmer (1999) #43 Sister Hazel - All For You (1997) #53 Smash 'n' Grab - She Don't Like That (2005) #61 Smashing Pumpkins - Today (1994) #66 Sophie Ellis Bextor - Take Me Home (A Girl Like Me) (2001) #96 Stone Temple Pilots - Plush (1993) #58 Talking Heads - Burning Down the House (1983) #94 Talking Heads - Take Me to the River (1979) #58 The Cardigans - My Favourite Game (1999) #62 The Cars - Magic (1984) #96 The Cars - My Best Friend's Girl (1978) #67 The Corrs - Dreams (1998) #43 The Corrs - I Never Loved You Anyway (1998) #45 The Corrs - So Young (1999) #66 The Corrs - What Can I Do (1998) #85 The Doobie Brothers - Long Train Runnin' (1973) #58 The Police - King of Pain (1984) #44 The Whitlams - No Aphrodisiac (1998) #50 Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers - Learning to Fly (1991) #44 UB40 - Rat in Mi Kitchen (1987) #84 UB40 - The Way You Do the Things You Do (1991) #58 Whitney Houston - Queen of the Night (1993) #80 Zucchero featuring Paul Young - Senza Una Donna (1992) #48
Yeah, I was in the process of putting it into sections. But I'd say of all the songs listed before Savagegrant's list, only Khe Sanh, Whip It, Angels and Rehab are "famous" in the general population. Last edited:
It seems your post mid-1988 peaks are from the AMR chart. A couple of those scraped into the ARIA top 40 - e.g. Aswad's 'Don't Turn Around' peaked at #34 on the first ARIA-produced chart, and Catatonia's 'Road Rage' peaked at #40. I class scraping into the top 40 as a (minor) hit.
Little River Band's 'Playing to Win' was one I was trying to think of for my list, but forgot. Its low peak is truly shocking! I guess it seems bigger than it was though because it's featured on many sports shows. The same with Leah Haywood's 'Summer of Love' being used for a channel 10 commercial.
Devo's 'Devo Live EP' was #1 in Oz though, and when aired on the Countdown top 10 chart, they played the 'Girl U Want' video. 'Girl U Want' is another shocking flop with no Oz chart entry in its own right. Last edited:
Please before we go any further because we could for the next 50 years.... Someone explain what is classified as a hit?
Is it something that gets flogged on the radio?
If it is well you're on the wrong track, I live in country W.A and for radio i have four options while at work (Only time i listen to it).
1. Triple J = Only can stand it in small doses during the day. 2. Hot FM = Kinda like Today Fm OR Nova but highly repetative 3. Radiowest = Basically it's AM radio which plays everything from current to yesteryear and is my favourite. 4. Other AM stations (inc ABC) = Waste of time
On this Radiowest station I hear tracks on the lists that people have mentioned, I also hear current tracks that haven't even broken into the charts. Does this make them hits? I think not
It's fair to say the vast majority of the songs listed are not famous... I'd say around half are reasonably well-known. Only 7 or 8 listed so far are truly famous imo. But the lists are interesting regardless
This thread will probably end up like the one-hit wonders thread, where everyone defines it differently. Last edited:
I love "Save The Lies" too, and "Popular" by veronicas.
Savagegrant: Your Garbage peak posiitons from your huge songs aren't right. "Only Happy" (Fav song of all time) peaked at #80, Queer peaked at #55 , and Special peaked at #54
~~~~~~~~~~~~Other Flops~~~~~~~~~~~~ Soul Sound - Sugababes (Physical release) Popular - Veronicas (Digital release) All Hooked Up - All Saints (Aparently #52 peak but im unsure,Physical release) Rock Steady - All Saints (Digital release,#98 peak) Easy - Sugababes (Physical Release) No Good Advie - Girls Aloud (Physical Release, #88 peak) Always Come Back To Your Love - Samantha Mumba (Physical Release, #63 peak)
Here are the Garbage songs that missed the top 5~~~~~~
Only Happy When It Rains - #50 Queer - #55 I Think Im Paranoid - #57 Special - #54 Shut Your Mouth - #74
Another flop is Britney's "Don't Let Me Be The Last To Know". It was planned as physical release but as it charted bad in other countries they added the disc onto rare editions of the album. Only minimal copies were made. Another music video was actual filmed as the 5th single, but as "Don't Let Me..." charted so badly it was cancelled, the other video was never released though.
BeansterBarnes - the definition of a 'hit' is either completely obvious (e.g. a huge #1 smash), or a grey area. I would base it mostly on the sales figures, which aren't usually available to the public, and so chart positions/chart runs are the next best thing. I don't think anyone would argue that a song reaching the top 20 isn't a 'hit', although if it spends 1 week at #20 and then dives out of the top 50, it becomes a grey area. I would classify any top 40 single as an at least minor 'hit' in a broad sense of the term; but then you have the rare single that charts for a long time but misses the top 40 (e.g. Marilyn Manson's 'The Beautiful People' which only peaked at #42 but spent 56 weeks in the top 100, becoming the 89th biggest seller for 1997).
The purpose of this thread was to highlight singles that many people would know, and would assume they were big hits, but they actually weren't (from a chart/sales perspective). A perfect example in my mind is The Supremes' 'Stop! In the Name of Love'. It was released over a decade before I was born, and I knew of it from an early age, but it didn't crack the top 40 here.
There have been a few songs in this thread listed that I don't know, mainly because I've paid little attention to charting singles since the late 90s. Last edited:
Does anyone have a valid link that will get me the Garbage chart positions from outside top 50. On wikipedia, they deleted all the ones i added, because a forum isn't an actual link. Any help would be welcome.
02*05-Nov-95*HP-55*WI-12 - Queer 04*16-Jun-96*HP-80*WI-09a- Only Happy When it Rains 07*02-Aug-98*HP-57*WI-05 - I Think I'm Paranoid 08*15-Nov-98*HP-54*WI-06a- Special 13*09-Sep-02*HP-74*WI-03 - Shut Your Mouth
first number is from song order. (a) is accumulated weeks in chart They've had 15 singles in total, and check out Shirley Manson in the new series of Sarah Connor Chronicles, very spooky bitch.
Was shocked that Hotel California (Eagles) only made #60. Also Hit Me With Your Best Shot (Pat Benatar) only made #33, thought it would have been Top 10. Don't Answer Me (Alan Parsons Project) #43 should've had a better run. Same for Street Cafe (Icehouse) #57.
billbeast, I think I was the one who added those Garbage outside top 50 ARIA peaks to wikipedia... then they removed them, then I added them back, adding a reference to the ARIA reports (which cannot be found online pre 2001, but can be located in state libraries), and they removed them again
I can understand to an extent, because anyone can make something up on wikipedia, but I only add chart peaks I've taken from printed ARIA reports (and have done this, esp. for peaks between 51-100, on many other wikipedia pages). It's frustrating when people don't think they're valid because they can't check them online.
Dave, Icehouse had a few underperformers it seems. I was shocked to learn that No Promises only peaked at #30, and Don't Believe Anymore peaked at #31. They were all over the radio at the time. I was even more surprised to learn that Baby You're So Strange and Mr Big made the top 20, when I didn't even know of them until a couple of years ago, and I knew most big hits of the day.
I agree with your comments Nugs. No Promises and Don't Believe Anymore definately underperformed, as well as Man Of Colours (#28), but I guess album sales were to blame for that (Man Of Colours album had already had an 11 week? consecutive run at #1 by then). I prefer these to Baby You're So Strange and Mr. Big, as well as Walls (#20). Just saw your latest post ... I again agree! Enjoy The Silence is an underperformer. It's my favourite Depeche Mode track! I think it made #5 in UK which is more on the mark.
The one that comes to mind is Republica - Ready to go. It charted in Australia at #40. It was flogged on radio when released here in 1996 both on commercial radio and Triple J and years later used extensively in radio avertising. Great song but hardy a hit in Australia.
My favourite of the one listed so far is Foo Fighters - Learn to Fly. Arguably their most acclaimed and famous tune, this one just could not do better than #36 despite being massive on radio and I think they were touring BDO around that time. Their album however was massive here and I believe if digital singles were around then 'Learn to fly' would have gone top 20 and perhaps top 10. Consider if digital singles were not included at the moment - Kings of Leon would hardly have had a #1 single or 2 top 5 singles in 2008.
I'm not too surprised at the low chart placing, because I never saw the video on TV at the time, but Madonna's low #59 peak for 'Oh Father' is surprising considering her popularity at the time, and that it's one of her best songs (IMO... it was the first song I really liked by her).
Robbie Williams Let Me Entertain You 1997 20/09/1998 #46
also by Robbie Willames/Kylie - Kids when i looked back at the 2000 and 2001 end of year charts i was looking up and down and was shocked to find it not on there considering Kylie Minogue was in the song but it was still a big hit at #14 and 15 weeks in top 50 but also when considering that it was one of the biggest well knonw songs of the 2000 and 2001 era. It should of been it the top 100.
also Alanis Morsitte - Thankyou was a hit and managed to get into the Top 50 highest selling singles of 98 witch i dont understand. But consedering it probably stayed in the top 100 for a long time its highest peak was at #15 and 15 weeks in the top 50 when songs in the top 5 or 10 didnt get into the top 50. So why didnt kids get into the Top 50 when thankyou was nearly at the same peak and and same run. Last edited:
mono36, Kids didn't make the year end chart probably because it only would have had about 6 weeks on the chart before the year-end chart was compiled (and 4 of those 6 weeks were lower than #20). Also, a #14 peak doesn't guarantee a position on the end of the year chart.
Having said that, some of us feel ARIA's year-end charts have been somewhat dodgy in the past. This is discussed in another thread here (I forget which one, but it was within the last month or 2), e.g. Kate Bush's Rocket Man peaked at #2 in 1992 but ended up at #100 on the year-end chart, below some songs that peaked at around #23 even!
The year end charts are (supposedly) based on sales, and not chart peaks/chart-runs alone. For example, in a low-selling week, a #1 single may sell less than a #7 single in a high-selling week.
Alanis may have made it into the 1998 top 50 because she had 9-10 weeks on the chart before the year-end chart was compiled (and sales may have been high during those weeks). I do admit though that it looks a little suspicious considering it only peaked at #15. Maybe another possible ARIA stuff-up?
^ True, but it was placed lower than Sound Unlimited's Kickin' to the Undersound, which spent 1 week in the top 20 (at #20), and 11 weeks in the top 50; and 40 places lower than Suck My Kiss which spent 1 week in the top 10 and just 8 weeks in the top 50.
Prince's Cream spent 5 weeks at #2 in January 1992, and 8 weeks in the top 10 in 1992, yet ended up 3 places lower on the year-end chart than Suck My Kiss which spent 8 weeks total in the top 50.
R Kelly's "She's Got that Vibe" which peaked at just #28 (although 17 weeks in the top 50, but 5 of those weeks were between 40 and 50) was placed 13 places higher than Ce Ce Peniston's "Finally" which peaked at #8 and spent 15 weeks in the top 50 (including 5 weeks in the top 10).
ARIA's year-end charts (at least in the early 90s) were seriously dodgy, and heavily biased towards the 2nd half of the year. Last edited:
Can anyone tell me all the chart positions of the "Aqua" songs. I was in a hippie record shop the other day and i saw 11 singles of theirs. So minimum 11 songs were released in Australia. Any Help would be really cool.
Re Wikipedia: At the end of the day, a fact is a fact. The Wikipedia policies say "use reliable sources", and you have one. If you are having problems, don't hesitate to contact me - I have all ARIA figures (top 60 only) from 1989 to 2001 for singles, and 1993 onwards for albums, and am happy to cross check any info you place there and confirm on the talk page. I've settled issues at, for example, the Roxus talk page using my database. My normal area of editing is geography and politics (where some of the sources are buried deep in university libraries in many cases), so if there's a dispute over it, you'll need to let me know on my talk page for me to be able to help. Cheers.
Orderinchaos, I keep adding the Garbage top one 100 singles, but they keep getting deleted because of no reliable source. They all got inside top 60 apart from "Only Happy When It Raisn" and "Shut Your Mouth" which placed outside top 60. So if you could possibly provide a link to the following songs AUs positions it would be great
Yes 'Kids' and 'Let me entertain' you are 2 of Robbie's best but he did not have big hits in Australia until later. Meanwhile 'Better Man' I think was a much weaker single but had a nice run in the top ten. Go figure Australia?!?
Aqua deserved another #1 with "Lollipop (Candyman)". It is my favourite single released in Australia. It's such a shame that "Roses Are Red" wasn't released here because the radio mix is my all time favourite song of theirs. The album version is a poor mix.
Here it is for those who haven't heard it... (plays best in Winamp)
Seems as though I missed one of your requests Arlen:
10>29-Mar-92*HP-55*WI-07 - Church of Your Heart 12>06-Dec-92*HP-66*WI-07 - Queen of Rain 15>10-July-94*HP-73*WI-03 - Crash! Boom! Bang! 16>23-Oct-94*HP-68*WI-04 - Fireworks 18>22-Mar-99*HP-57*WI-08 - Wish I Could Fly
S Club 7;
08>06-May-02*HP-71*WI-03 - You 10>14-July-03*HP-75*WI-02 - Say Goodbye / Love Ain't Gonna Wait for You
12>04-Aug-91*HP-95*WI-01 - Soul Free 19>23-Feb-97*HP-61*WI-04 - Older 20>22-Jun-97*HP-51*WI-10a- Star People 21>26-Oct-97*HP-75*WI-02 - You Have Been Loved
03>29-Jun-97*HP-52*WI-09 - Tourniquet 06>08-Nov-96*HP-81*WI-6a - Lunchbox 07>20-Dec-98*HP-97*WI-01 - Get Your Gun
Here are some hits that were flops..... "In For The Kill" - "La Roux" (#34) "Only Happy When It Rains" - "Garbage" (#80)
Both those songs were widely airplayed, and video played yet never made it to a successfull peak.....as with "Mercy" by "Duffy"....who peaked at #26, yet got Platinum sales from maintining them week by week
I was surprised to discover that Somewhere Out There from An American Tail only charted as high as 26 (I think). As a kid I remember hearing it on the radio all the time, so my memory made it into a massive hit. Apparently it wasn't in Australia.
I was shocked to discover that Man In The Mirror only managed to peak at #39 on its first chart run. That's just mind blowing.
I watch accreditation's closely, it is possible for Katy Perry - One Of The Boys to be certified <G> but only just due to christmas period. However this would make alot of other songs incorrect. Also quite convenient that when One Of The Boys was certified <G> it was the same week that Katy Perry's album of the same title was repackagedand shipped to stores...
The record companies have to be able to prove to ARIA that they've actually shipped (or sold, in the case of digital tracks) the minimum number of copies required for the certification, though.
Until early last decade, the YE charts were compiled based on sales provided by the record companies themselves (rather than data collected by ARIA, even though with the advent of ARIAnet, they collected all of their own data electronically). Now, though, they compile their Year End charts based on their own data (i.e. not the data supplied by the record companies).
Whip It was re-released in 1981 as part of the "Dev-O Live (EP)" when it finally got its chart recognition. It reached #1 in August '81 and the clip was shown as the lead song on the weekly countdowns.
HeadInAMuse I now this is going back a fair bit, but do you know why My Heart Will Go On only managed a #34 peak in NZ. Was Titanic not loved as much in NZ compared to the rest of the world, was it hampered by lack of radioplay or a limited release of the single? Or is Celine Dion not that well loved in NZ? That's really perplexing.
NO! It's because the single had very limited release in New Zealand. The Titanic soundtrack peaked at number one in Kiwiland and was in the charts for a fair amount of time. The unfortunate thing about living in a small country is that if a single sells out, new supplies are not always sent and (although this may not be a fact) I do think something along these lines would have happened.
I remember the song being a very big radio hit, but airplay didn't affect the chart during this period. (similar to I Don't Want To Miss a Thing by Aerosmith).
Celine Dion has never had a number one single in New Zealand, but her albums have done incredibly well, like Falling Into You which is one of the biggest albums of all time in NZ!
Another song which surprised me with how quick it got certification was "Take Your Shirt Off" from T-Pain. It has only spent 6 weeks in the charts and peaked at #42. How would it have sold 35,000 units?
It's still a head scratcher though, especially when other songs have similar trajectory but no accreditation eg Jordy. For it to be accredited gold, makes you wonder how many singles out there are uncredited. As songs that last 20 weeks in the top 50 sometimes don't get accredited.
All right, that makes sense. It spent a lot of time right under that 50 mark and could have earned thousands of sales in that time.
Thanks to this website, I've been looking through the charts and have found a few songs which could be considered to be in here (might be repeating songs that have already been mentioned): I Think We're Alone Now - Tiffany (#46) Always On My Mind - Pet Shop Boys (#28) The Hardest Part - Coldplay (#40) Long Road To Ruin - Foo Fighters (#38) Learn To Fly - Foo Fighters (#36) Don't Go Breaking My Heart - Elton John (#45) Dancing Queen - ABBA (#37) Note: Could have made higher because the charts on this website started in 1988
I'm still hearing a lot of these songs now, so I'm surprised these songs were so low.
This may not count to what this chart is about, but apparently the biggest drop out of the ARIA Charts has been "Psycho Teddy" by "Psycho Teddy", which went from 5th place to not being in the charts at all.
That was Dancing Queen's re-entry in 1992 when it was re-released, not its initial entry. Don't Go Breaking My Heart in 1994 was the version with RuPaul, not the original with Kiki Dee, which peaked at #1 in 1976. Always on My Mind was #28 on the earliest dated ARIA chart available on this site, which was when it was beginning to drop down the charts (it peaked at #5 in early 1988, pre-ARIA). I guess you're right about the others. Last edited: